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tim geithner. that is president obama's lead negotiator in the fiscal cliff talks. it's all happening tomorrow on fox news sunday. check your local listings for the time and channel in your area. >> rick: speak of the president, we could soon be learning who he wants to have serve in his administration in his second term. source telling fox news, a slate of nominations could be coming this month and that would likely include a replacement for the defense secretary, leon panetta, and if that does happen, it will come a little sooner than a lot of people had expected. the short list reportedly includes former republican senator chuck hagel, deputy defense secretary ashton carter, michelle floroni, a top official and democratic senator john kerry >> arthel: a reported murder-suicide rocking the nfl today. police say kansas city chiefs linebacker gentleman von belcher shot and killed his girlfriend this morning. he than drove to arrowhead stadium where he killed himself in front of his coach and general manager. elizabeth prann live from atlanta with more on this very sad story. elizabeth
the democrats. bark obama said i am ready to go off of the cliff unless you give me x, yand z . that's where the republicans made a mistake. >> if they pass and extend all of the tax cuts and send them over to the senate, they have done their job . if why go over the cliff then, it will be because of the president of the united states. it will be his economy. it will be his presidency on the line and also the country. if barak obama believes in the clinton tax cuts, let them go back into affect for the entire country and see if the country believes they are good for america. >> the president is campaign acting like he received a anytime percent man date when he only received half. what impact is this having on the psyche of the gop. >> it is affecting the psyche of the president. he's act being like he did win a huge victory . he did win a substitute victory and what happened to the republicans is, they are fearful of all of these taxes going up they are trying to a bargain in good faith to give away something and then say if you will give us something and make us look good. don't humiliate
will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an
know that this big obama army is working on fiscal cliff matters where they're sgogoing to be, t are mobilized to help support the president's plan to get the tax breaks in first, but we're learning history, finally. we're getting it in the first david alex raxlerod is talking he never thought that paul ryan would be the vice president pick. >> who did he think? >> he thought it would be rob portman to help in ohio or tim pawlenty. he never thought ryan because that would introduce medicare into the political conversation and distract romney from his main message of the economy. that's why he thought he never would pick him and, of course, he did, and, of course, it did change the romney mesage for a while. >> the president, molly ball, the president could be making a major decision as early as next week by making his announcement for secretary of state. secretary of state, specifically. ambassador susan rice, a frontrunner, considered by many. some gop senators are, however, continue to threaten to hold up that domination. is this even a fight that the gop would want to engage i
the fiscal cliff because it will have bad responses to republicans. the obama people will be able to say you gave away the ability to keep taxes down on 98% of americans. and for the president, the idea that he would allow the taxes to go up, again, on appetizing for him given that he said he would protect the american middle class. lori: he said the same thing over and over again. how do you see this sorting itself out? >> from purely a political viewpoint, i did not see why anyone would not make a deal. the fear i have is they just kick the can down the road thing and they create a three-month bridge. not the heart and soul of it which will be, as you said, some kind of tax hikes. then, you move on, in terms of the entitlement cuts. i do not think we will get the social security. when it comes to spending and social security on the like -- that is what will happen. i do not see why people don't just make the deal. lori: how much further down the road can it go? juan williams, so nice to see you. have a nice weekend. >> thank you, lori. melissa: charlie gasparino has the latest details. he
's home page, the actual heading reads, quote response to president obama's unserious fiscal cliff proposal. is unserious a word? in john boehner's universe, i guess. >> as much of a word as flabbergasted is. >> bill: robert calls him the weeper of the house. kitty jon says says i started my campaign against boehner last week saying what you are discussing this morning. i don't plan to let up on it although i believe it falls on deaf ears. peter, how do people john campaign? >> peter: on twitter@speaker boehner. speaker.gov/contact, 202-225-0600, how to get in touch with speaker boehner >> bill: the message is simply at that time cut for 98% of the americans, lead or get out of the way. >> "the bill press show." >> yesterday we saw both sides accusing each other of not getting anything done. speaker john boehner said on fox news sunday, right now we are nor, period. here is let's take a look at treasury secretary timothy geithner on abc's "this week". >> this is no responsible wake we can govern this country with those low rates. they will have
to go over the cliff? >> there's clearly a chance. >>> meanwhile, grover norquist making a new prediction should lawmakers fail to reach a deal. >> understand how ugly the next four years are going to get. everything in obamacare that obama didn't want you to focus on or think about, the 90% of his trillion-dollar tax increase was pushed over till after he got himself safely re-elected. all those regulations you're now hearing about, okay, those all hit after the election. we've got four years of regulation taxes. he wants to add higher taxes to that. tea party, too, is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. >>> another major story from the weekend, it was an emotional weekend in the nfl and in kansas city as the chiefs took the field on sunday just 24 hours after a tragedy involving a key member of their team. police say linebacker jovan belcher shot and killed his girlfriend, the mother of his infant daughter. minutes later he took his own life in the parking lot of arrowhead stadium where the chiefs play right in front of his coaches. nbc's tan trarep
.m.. >> with just a month to go before the impacts of the looming fiscal cliff kick in, president obama is taking his solutions to the public sounding at times like he is back on the campaign trail. analysts say that the combination of the tax increases and spending cuts could de real the recovering economy. despite some initial sounds of cooperation after the election, the president and the house speaker john boehner do not appear close to a deal. kron4 catherine heenan explains. >> every family in america will see their income tax automatically go on january 1st. every family that means everyone here will see their taxes go up on january 1st. i am assuming that this does not sound too good to you. >> we know that when the treasury secretary issued the proposal to republicans they laughed. house speaker john banner stated that the ideal of boosting would be a crippling blow to the economy. >> let's not kid ourselves. the company cannot or sure they all for this. >> the key sticking point is taxes. democrats want to extend the bush cut for the middle class. republicans do not want to tax rate inc
, there will still be slavery. >> that's the shocking claim of aan anonymous top obama advisor. >>> i believe it's safer to go over the fiscal cliff. >> do the democrats secretly want to plunge over the fiscal cliff? we'll examine the growing evidence that indicates this may be obama's secret plan. we'll have much more. hannity starts right here, right now. >> welcome to hannity. there are late breaking developments tonight related to the fiscal cliff battle being waged in washington. now, late this afternoon house speaker john boehner sent a letter to the president detailing a bold counter offer to the administration's plan. the g.o.p. proposal does not include a tax increase on the so-caldwell thee but does contain $800 billion in revenue through tax reform, another $600 billion in health savings and much more. all told, the net savings amount to around 2.2 trillion dollars. the white house responded to this letter by saying that the president is, quote, willing to compromise but not on the subject of making job creators pay more in taxes. however, what our tax and spend commander-in-chief fai
cliff stuff done? i think president obama preparing to answer some tough questions from voters. over the weekend house speaker john boehner said these negotiations are nowhere. jay carney disagrees with that assessment. now phone calls at this point between president obama and congressional leaders, but the white house says the talks will be ongoing over the next several days, tamron. >> thank you. the president's q and a on twitter comes days after republicans flat-out rejected his opening bid in negotiations. house speaker john boehner appeared on one sunday morning talk show to see the president's proposal was not in his opinion a proposal at all. >> i was flabbergasted and said, you can't be serious. i just have never seen anything like it. we have seven weeks between election day and the end of the year, and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> okay. >> treasury secretary tim geithner appeared on five separate sunday morning talk shows. he says it's the gop who have been short on specifics. >> we said how and how much and who should pay. they haven't prop
if we do go off the cliff. >> tea party 2 is going to dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. let's not pretend who's pushing us offer the cliff. >> but continuing to insist that the president does have the better argument. >> at the end of the day, president obama is selling a very simple message. i want to keep taxes low for middle class americans and i'm worry are in the position of looking as if they don't care about the middle class and just want to keep tax rates low for wealthy americans. >> krystal, it's grover norquist versus the polls, actually, the polls actually tell us -- a new cnn poll shows that 45% of americans would blame congressional republicans if no deal is reached and 34% would blame president obama. i don't think grover is going to turn that around. >> no, i don't think grover is going to turn that around and i don't think that he's right that tea party 2 will dwarf tea party 1. >> he is so wrong. >> but i do think that there is true to the fact that there is already a backlash from the ultra right, grassroot tea partyiers that are still out t
was that the majority of americans agreed with president obama's vision of one of the ways to fix the fiscal cliff had to be to put new revenues and raise the tax rates of the wealthiest americans. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: so taking this case to the american people fighting strong, making his own case which he we've been asking him to do for four straight years. my reaction was this. >> flabbergasted. [ laughing ] >> cenk: what's your reaction. >> slightly flabbergasted because this is not how the president has worked before. he ran with a grassroots in 2008. we tried to recreate that, talked about the ground game in the campaign in 2012. he's taking a grassroots campaign to politics, which is what progressives have been begging him to do now for a while. it seems to be working. all the hash tags and all the my 2 k has tags has gotten up to 13,000 tweets per hour. not every one of them is, hey great idea, mr. president. a lot of them are coming from people who are conservatives saying whatever it is that they're saying. the point is he's in touch with the people. he's not living in a cocoon like he
stories. president obama playing fiscal cliff hardball this morning. he's telling republicans he will not agree to a deal that doesn't include a tax hike on the wealthiest americans, hardening his position on this. he'll be meeting with business leaders today. >>> later this morning, speaker john boehner meets with fellow house republicans. sources tell cnn gop leaders are looking for a way out. >> it turns out the barefoot recipient of boots by a new york city police officer was shoeless but guess what, not homeless. city officials say jeffrey hillman does have stable housing, an parm in the bronx. they say he's lived there rent-free for the past three years. but hillman regularly panhandles in times square. >> a former boy scout who says he was sexually abused is suing is the boy scouts of america. the lawsuit claims his former troop leader, thomas hacker was barred from the group in indiana in the 1970s but was able to rejoin as a volunteer in illinois in the 1980s. hacker was arrested in 1988, later convicted in the aggravated sexual assault of an 11-year-old troop member in
on the fiscal cliff. president obama and the democrats have put forward a plan relying mostly on raising more revenue from the wealthiest 2% of the country. republicans rely mostly on draconian cuts affecting the middle class and the poor and republicans aren't specific about how they get $800 billion in revenue. for the conversation, let's turn to richard wolffe, msnbc political analyst and vice president and executive director of msnbc.com. and molly ball, political reporter for "the atlantic." the republican proposal includes ryan's voucher program for medicare. we're not even a month away from the election and they are throwing up on the wall everything that was rejected. why are they doing this? >> well, i can tell you why they think they have a mandate. they are throwing insults at each other and that means they are engaging. they may be way apart in terms of the lessons learned. think -- they clearly don't seem to have learned very many from this election. but house republicans have put in their initial offer here. and you know, the problem for house republicans is not only have they n
is trying to avoid plunging of the fiscal cliff. he has made clear that the obama administration is saying that the first order of business has to be to extend tax breaks for middle-class families and raise tax rates for the top 2% of income earners. talks over how to rein in entitlement spending should be held sometime next year. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion of new revenue over 10 years. twice as much as he has been asking for the public. his stimulus spending exceeded the amount of new cuts that he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. reporter: enter a new player in the talks, stephanie cutter. you remember her? she was the deputy campaign manager for the obama-biden ticket suggested that mitt romney might have committed a felony on his tax returns. sunday night, she e-mailed them to reach a fiscal deal. republicans have balked at raising those tax rates. they are identified by marcus at countries job creators. >> for the first time in two decades, they are there will tell revenues go up as part is the plan. but they have to tell us what they're willing to
with the benghazi scandal, and the fiscal cliff, obama is prepared to offer romney a position in the administration, president of the united states. [ laughter ] he's like, i made a mistake. it's all yours. why, thank you. >> reporter: all jokes aside, this meeting of the political minds could be beneficial for both men. for the president, it is a chance to show he's put a tough campaign behind him. and is taking a bipartisan approach to his second term. and for romney, it's an opportunity to rehabilitate his image, which took a hit shortly after the ballots were counted, thanks to remarks made on a conference call with donors. quote, the obama campaign was following the old playbook of giving a lot of stuff to groups, specifically the african-american community. the hispanic community, and young people. those comments had many republicans rushing to distance themselves from their former nominee. but one romney strategist offered this defense of his former boss in the "washington post." stuart stevens wrote in part, losing is just losing. i would hope it's not seen as an excuse to show disrespect f
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at's where we begin this morning. >> fiscal cliff deadline, president obama sends his treasury secretary to capitol hill to negotiate with congre congressional leaders. major garret is at the white house. good morning. >> charlie and norah, even as negotiations intensify, campaigning continues at the white house. president obama is adamant about protecting existing income tax rates for middle income earners and raising them on the wealthy. for the president the politics of this is very simple. he he ran on that issue and against republican obstructionism and won. if republicans don't relent on his issue, other fiscal cliff matters won't be discussed in the president's campaign to end the stalemate will continue. -election pond time since winning re-election, president obama welcomed the applause of hand-picked supporters and wa his calls tolicans not to ignore is calls to protect middle class households. >> it's time for us to work on >> reportel agreed to, which is allow eep middle class tax cuts for >> tax cuts for households that earn more than $250,000 to in a expire. incre
because obama clearly sees that he has a mandate out of the election on fiscal cliff issues. even though it wasn't a huge issue in the debate the white house is behaving like it has that mandate. what you have been seeing is republicans showing signs of flexibility and i am not just talking john boehner saying revenue is on the table. we have republican senators saying they will stand up to the grover norquist tax pledge. they're willing to break it which is pretty big news. we also have the influential member of congress, republican tom cole saying we have got to agree to extend the tax cut just for those people making $250,000 and below and letting the more wealthy be taxed. definitely flexibility but what you see from democrats is an unwillingness to do serious entitlement reform that would lead to reductions in spending. they want to kick the can down the road and do more of the next year with the vague promises. dennis: the think republicans will be willing to agree upfront to more tax revenue or higher tax rates as we go without a firm cap on entitlement reform? >> that is the big
at the white house with president obama to discuss, what else? the fiscal cliff. states would be severely impacted because much of their revenue comes from the federal government. cnn white house correspondent dan lothian is at the white house. so, dan, who is trying to convince who? >> well, i think it's a little bit of both here. you have the president trying to sort of put pressure on them, if you will, these governors, to then they in turn should put pressure ontheir lawmakers to get a deal done. at the time the governors are here to let the president know there's some real consequences if this scenario plays out. a third of states out there get their revenue from federal grants according to a pew report, and that report also points out that states like virginia, for example, would be heavily impacted. why virginia? because it has a lot of military defense contractors. they're saying that they could be impacted to the tune of about $10 billion in economic activity falling. in addition to that, 120,000 jobs lost. take a look at a state like south dakota, for example. a very small state
said. they want to go off of the fiscal cliff. then negotiations fail president obama will not get blamed. it is someone else. >> gretchen: marjorie that sounds right other than the middle class getting hit with a tax hike isn't everything that ron just part of the dnc. >> it is it a big issue. president obama and really american people don't want to see middle class americans pay additional 2000 in taxes n which is what will happen in addition to cuts to programs . we want to cut and the american people want to see cut. there is it a few things. first more americans would blame the republicans and not president obama if we went off of the fiscal cliff. that is a motivation. >> brian: yeah. >> gretchen: ron, why do they feel that way? >> brian:ip totally agree with you. looking at polls and say republicans will get blamed and so why not runuss off of the cliff. >> republicans should have their own plan. the majority of americans in exit polls have said we should balance and ask the wealthiest to pay more. >> gretchen: wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. ron. that's not true. nothing is g
split or the fiscal cliff because president obama's plan to avoid the fiscal cliff is not exactly flying with republicans. 32 days now count with me 32 tax rates soar, spending cuts automatically kick in and keep in mind there is a date that we're watching also before this, congress break for the holidays in all of 14 days. >> so to review the president's plan calls for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes, $50 billion in new stimulus spending, and $400 billion in unspecified cuts. the president for himself he's heading to a manufacturing plant in pennsylvania today to try to sell that idea. house speaker john boehner's reaction was essentially, get serious. so we want to talk about the numbers behind this. we're going to bring in ken rogoff, professor of economics and public policy at harvard university. you heard the specifics of the plan, $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $400 billion in unspecified cuts, $50 billion in new stimulus. how does this sound to you? >> well, it certainly sounds like a plan. and i do think we have to see some mix of higher revenues starting now and frankly going on into th
for the rich. >> president obama also tried to pin a negotiating tactic on republicans, saying congress can't tie fiscal cliff negotiations to upcoming debt ceiling votes. >> i will not play that game. we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> it's a sign the two sides have a lot to discuss---once they decide to do so. emily schmidt, kron4 news >> depending on you who you speak with. this wild prank. the hospital got a call from deejays she was pretending to be the queen and he was pretending that he was prince charles. incredibly, the hospital thought that it was correct and they released information. >> the call was put through to the ward and i am not impressed i think it was a pretty poor trick to play. there is no chance that this could have been put to the patient. >>catherine: that's the hospital boss - trying to save face. but a lot of people think it was pretty funny - especially when a nurse began instructing the 'queen' on when she should show up during visiting hours. the radio station is apologizing. >> coming up you could be surprised what is coming through the water
table, it's happening at the sunday talk shows. it's been 16 days since president obama and congressional leaders gathered to talk about how to avoid the fiscal cliff, the automatic spending cuts and tax increases that go into effect january 1. >> i think we're farther apart but we're coming together. >> i think we're nowhere, period. >> thursday treasury secretary tim geithner presented obama's plan, including $1.4 trillion in tax increases. >> there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. >> president obama also proposed a $16 billion of spending cuts. >> i'm just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> the house speaker says republicans put increased revenues including efforts to close tax loopholes and put the tax cuts on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> if there's another way to get income from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then why wouldn't we consider it. >> those are publicly unchanged deadlines. whether political theater or political reality, there's more to going over the fisca
on averting the so-called fiscal cliff are going nowhere fast. >> president obama is going into campaign mode to win support for his plan. visiting a pennsylvania toy factory today. the deadline is a month and a day away. as abc's karen travers reports. good morning, karen. >> reporter: good morning, rob. good morning, sunny. yesterday was round two between the obama administration and congressional leaders on capitol hill. and things aren't looking good. basically at this point, both sides have laid out an agenda, and they're waiting for the other side to blink. so much for that brief burst of optimism in washington over the fiscal cliff talks. now republicans and democrats can't even agree on where things stand. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> and you know there is progress. >> treasury secretary tim geithner sat down with bipartisan congressional leaders to keep pushing for a deal. a top boehner aide said the plan geithner presented is, quote, completely unrealistic. and a top democratic aide said republicans have taken to screaming at them. if no action is taken
falling off the so-called fiscal cliff. president obama says is he ready to act. >> there are no shortage of pens in the white house. and i carry one around for an emergency just in case. >> here is the thing, will congress sign on the president's budget proposal all about more taxes and spending some folks say? >> and frosty and santa are front and center. why is one school in florida hiding baby jesus in the closet? the war on christmas is back, clayton. it's back. >> say it ain't so, joe. first the twinkie, now bazooka joe, juliet. >> no, no, no. >> after 60 years, say good by to bazooka joe. >> nobody will miss that horrible gum. >> it's amazing. >> how could you say it's bad? >> it can good gum. debating the merits of the gum. "fox & friends" in for juliet huddy. the gum that used to come in the tops cards. remember how terrible that stuff was. >> once you get past the stale and hard rock like substance it turns into a flavorful. >> i agree it is delicious. >> more on that plus ugly christmas sweaters this morning. county guys from ugly christmas sweater party.com top. i think they c
the so-called fiscal cliff. congressional republicans firing back now amid claims by president obama that some g.o.p. lawmakers are holding middle class tax cuts hostage. and senator orrin hatch accusing the president of pulling a bait and switch. listen. >> the the president said he wants a so-called balanced approach to solve this crisis, but what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people, a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on. billions of dollars in this stimulus spending and unlimited unchecked authority to borrow from the chinese. maybe i missed it, but i don't believe him asking for any of that during the presidential campai campaign. >> jamie: well, the developments are wii by the hour and our steve centanni is covering all of them. good to see you. >> you, too, jamie. one month until the fiscal cliff and appears to be little movement, but a lot of talk back and forth and the president used a campaign style appearance to appeal directly to the american people and pushed for immediate action to extend bush era tax cuts for ever
obama is reaching a deal on the fiscal cliff. just 31 days left until we hit those automatic spending cuts and tax increases, if negotiations break down. here is what president obama had to say in his weekly radio address. >> both parties say we should keep middle class taxes low. the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from beginning up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. if we can just get a few house republicans onboard, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it may way. but it's unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the wealthiest americans. >> in the republican response, senator orrin hatch takes that hostage met foaphor one step further. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are proposing a disastrous thelma and louise strategy, putting our already weak economy in further jeopardy. >> president obama says he wants to get a deal done by christmas, but both republicans and democrats will have to com
gregory literally asked do you think president obama should bring mitt romney in to negotiate the fiscal cliff. >> caller: i think my brain unattached from my spine when i heard that. [ laughter ] >> caller: i can't -- david gregory should be ashamed of himself, and i really think they need to change it to meet the pushover. and the democrats have to understand that that's how grover got his power is flying under the radar. nobody knows who this guy is. >> stephanie: that's right. >> caller: some of these senator are realigning themselves with him now. >> stephanie: i know. >> caller: they say i would break the pledge, but now -- i can't remember the one senator's name, but he called up and grover just gave him a what for, and he goes i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i'm like are you kidding me? >> stephanie: sorry grover. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: you should never have to say sorry to anybody named grover. >> exactly. >> stephanie: all right. we'll get the latest on what charlie pierce thinks on the fiscal cliff and much more as we continue on the "stephanie miller
president obama has seen these polls. so if there is a fiscal cliff and we go over it, the american public are likely to blame the republicans. >> well, that's absolutely true, piers. we've had an election and the clearest debate and the clearest difference in that election was over the question of whether the rich should pay more and tax rates should go up on the rich. everybody who paid any attention at all knows that the top 2% are now taking home a larger share of total income and wealth in this country than they have in over 80 years and are paying the lowest effective tax rate they paid in over a half a century. we also have a looming budget deficit. so you don't have to really be a rocket scientist to understand that the rich do have to pay more. taxes do have to be raised on the rich and i think that's why over 60% of the public in these polls are not only supportive of a tax increase on the rich, but also will blame the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. and this gives frankly, this gives the white house and this gives the obama administration much more bargaining leverag
is going to dwarf tea party 1 if obama pushes us off the cliff. >> so basically, jon, what grover norquist is saying there to members of the tea party set who have been elected, who were elected, is, you know, we're going to take everybody who is against us into a primary on your right. >> right. >> on the republican side. >> right. >> so the threat has been issued already, even before we begin negotiating what the package will be. >> oh, yeah. >> this is like political terrorism. >> well, it's certainly a clear bargaining position. i remember three years ago talking to a longtime member of the house who was running for the senate. and we were talking about something else. and at the end of the conversation, i said, is it really as bad as everybody says? is it worse than when you came in? which was in the late '80s. and he said the central difference is in the caucus, the republican caucus, the fear is not a democratic challenge, it's a primary challenge. and it's the first time i had ever heard the term "to be primaried." he said, "you don't want to be primaried." you can ask senator luga
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the fiscal cliff. in another meeting with middle-class americans, president obama said he believes the framework for a deal could be in place before christmas. >> and i'll go anywhere, and i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. it's too important for washington to screw this up. now's the time for us to work on what we all agree to, which is let's keep middle-class taxes low. that's what our economy needs. that's what the american people deserve. >> white house also turning to social media has a twitter hash tag to spread its message. >> today i'm asking congress to listen to the people who sent us here to serve. i'm asking americans all across the country to make your voice heard. tell members of congress what a $2,000 tax hike would mean to you. call your members of congress. write them an e-mail, post it on their facebook walls. you can tweet it using the hash tag #my2k. not y2k, my2k. >> i think that's going to push us into the promised land. >> i was incredibly encouraged. i had been depressed and then i said this could actually get done with a hash tag. >> you're very p
are nowhere close to a deal to avert that fiscal cliff. the obama administration has laid out its plan calling for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that includes letting the bush era tax cuts expire for those earning more than $250,000 a year. it's also pushing for a new $50 billion stimulus package and offering $400 billion in new cuts to medicare and other entitlement programs. but republican house speaker john boehner flatly rejected the plan on the table and what he calls the white house's unwillingness to compromise. >> i was just flabbergasted. i looked at him, i said, you can't be serious. i've never seen anything like it. you know, we've got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. >> you know, i think right now the best thing to do is for them to come to us and say, look, here's what we think makes sense. we've told them what we think makes sense. what we can't do is try to figure out what's going to be good for them. they have to come tell us. >> house minority leader and democrat nancy pelosi also jumping into
the big idea of this record turn out? before we get to all of that, the fiscal cliff. we start with president obama digging in his heels about raising taxes on the wealthiest. senior administration official telling "the wall street journal" there will be no new offers until republicans allow tax rates to go up on top earners. this morning, the president accusing the gop of brinksmanship while republican senator orrin hatch said democrats are asking for too much. >> it's unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the weltiest americans. >> what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people. a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on. >> joining me now nbc white house news correspondent mike viqueira. what can you make of this? fiscal cliff talks are they a nonstarter? >> i tell you, you listen to everything that is being said publicly. you see the president there. it's clear that the election, yes, is over. but the campaign goes on here. you kno
from that so-called fiscal cliff. there appears to be very little movement toward any kind of deal. president obama is using the bully-pulpit to appeal to the american people to push for immediate action to push the tax cuts for everybody except for those earning more than $250,000 a year. in his saturday address, he stressed the urgency of the situation. >> if congress does nothing, every family will see their income taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next year. a typical middle-class family of four will see income taxes rise by $2200. we can't let that happen. a families can't afford it and neither can our economy. >> reporter: republicans led by house speaker john boehner says he should quit campaigning and take care of the business at hand. republicans say they are willing to consider raising more revenue but they want to see spending cuts to go along with it. >> we need to hear they are willing to make spending cuts now, not promises of spending cuts sometime if the future. to me the tidal waves that are coming at us is social security and medicare and the new healt
cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a look at the details here. boehner and the other house republicans are asking for $800 billion in new tax reform revenue. that's short of the $1.6 trillion that the president would like to see there. also health savings of $600 billion. mandatory savings of $300 billion. revisions of cpa of 200 billion. other discretionary saving 300 billion. they say net savings is $2.2 trillion all told. the white house says this plan is not balanced, and interestingly there's a little side skirmish here between the speaker of the house john boehner and erskine bowls. boehner said this was based on a report that bowles laid out. bawls said no. he said the approach laid out does not represent the simpson-bowles plan or the bowles plan. in fact what
the election win. does that mean president obama wins the debate on the fiscal cliff? >> i think in the end he will get what's the most important thing to him which is the 98%. could he be more clear bill? that's the one nonnegotiable thing. he's saying this is the one thing i want. therefore, everything else, maybe he can't deal on. yeah, there's a lot of ways you could take care of ensuring that the wealthiest still get many breaks but this is one the tax rate break that the president doesn't want to give. i find it fascinating that when the republicans as they did yesterday put out a counteroffer, they might be proud new republicans have signed on. i remember this whole debate is only about finding 30 or 40 republicans to go with the democrats to make the 218 majority. it is not about converting everyone who signed a grover norquist pledge. this whole thing is about finding 30 or 40 republicans. >> bill: which means of course they have to bring it up for a vote. they could vote. with that, we'll have to pic
are furious. they don't like democrats drawing a red line in the sand. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it is pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. >> president barack obama and gop leaders held one face to face meeting on the fiscal cliff since the election. that meeting took place more than two weeks ago. >>> the kansas city chiefs suited up and took the field today against carolina. that's despite the shock and horror of yesterday's suicide of linebacker jevon belcher. stay right there with full details in a full report on cnn in just a minute. >>> high winds and heavy rain are pummeling the northwest. the rainfall will continue throughout the day. some places have already seen a foot of rain since yesterday. people living in northern california, oregon and washington state are bracing for rising rivers and possible mudslides. >>> supporters of mohammad morsi blocked the high court from indefinitely suspending all court sessions. that would suspend a ruling on the drawing up of egypt's new constitution. president morsi declared his decisions are now immune from judic
, of course, what is a very critical time. the deadline for the fiscal cliff is drawing near. you have to imagine that that was a large part of romney's discussions today both with president obama and with ryan. >> kristen welker at the white house, thanks so much. >>> we take you back on capitol hill where congressional leaders put much of their energy on the ongoing fiscal cliff negotiations. oklahoma representative tom cole who broke ranks with republicans by embracing president obama's plan to raise taxes on the wealthy stuck to his guns this morning. >> if we can give the american people an early christmas present, if they can listen to the debate instead of be worried that their own taxes are going to go up, i think that actually strengthens our hand. i haven't changed my mind. i'm not going to come out here and be disingenuous to people. i think it would be a step in the right direction. >> today john boehner expressed disappointment at where the negotiations stand. as our first read team points out, by siding with the white house tom cole may be helping boehner get the deal he
. president obama and the gop leaders have only held one face-to-face meeting on the fis calgary cliff since the election. that meeting took place more than two weeks ago. >>> the military trial of private bradley manning will stop fou now and resume in a month. that's what a military judge decided today. the delay is to give time for more of what the court calls pretrial proceedings. manning is accused of releasing u.s. military secrets through the website wikileaks. if convicted in a court-martial, he could get life in prison. >>> pope benedict is joining twitter officially. he launches his own internet account tomorrow. that's according to the vatican. a church official tells cnn that the pope will compose all of his tweets himself. no word yet on what he's chosen for his twitter account name. >>> it is a sight no one has ever seen before,en image few expected they ever would see. a same-sex couple getting married inseed the cadet chapel at the u.s. military cathedral. she was a graduate of west point in the first class that included women. they join us now from new york. great to see bot
been evacuated from the area. >>> and lawmakers and president obama have exactly one month to cut a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. a huge package of tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in january one. they spent time blaming each other for not getting serious. in his weekly address, president obama says he is ready to make a deal but wouldn't accept continued tax cuts for the wealthiest people. >>> the senate has already passed a bill to keep income taxes from going up on middle class families. democrats in the house are ready to do the same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans on board, i'll sign this bill as soon as congress sends it my way. but, it is unacceptable for some republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the richest americans. >> republicans say tax hikes on the wealthy mean tax hikes for small businesses, something they insist they cannot accept. here is long-time gop senator orin hatch. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are indicating a disastro
obama have already taken us over the cliff. if you meet with businesses like i do all the time, they've already paired back plans for next year anticipating what's going to happen. we can fix this christmas eve if we want, but we've already hurt the economy and job growth. >> are you with boehner? >> i'm not with boehner. this government doesn't need anymore money. this country needs less government. we're going to have historic levels of revenue to the government this year. >> everyone's taxes are going up at the end of the year if there's no deal. >> we have already offered to extend current tax rates. that's what we should have done six months ago until we could come to some agreement, some compromise on tax reform. >> when you say compromise, where are you ready to compromise as far as taxes are concerned? >> how we go about tax reform, there's a lot of room to work together to lower the rates. >> give me an example? >> i'm not sure where the democrats are because they have not offered a plan. >> their plan is to keep the bush tax rates from 2001, 2003 forever. make them pe
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